248: Part 2: He Knew You Were Lying Before You Opened Your Mouth
Game of Crimes
Game of Crimes
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🗓️ 20 May 2026
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Retired Secret Service polygraph examiner Brad Beeler goes deeper than any TV show, documentary, or true crime podcast has ever gone — into the real science of deception detection, the emotional cost of the work, and a formula for criminal behavior that will fundamentally change how you understand why people commit crimes.
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| 0:00.0 | I worked a homicide case and it was the 10-year-old here in South Carolina. |
| 0:05.4 | And he admitted to using a 9mm, which was not the caliber that killed him. |
| 0:11.6 | But I asked him kind of a hypothetical. |
| 0:14.6 | I said, is there any reason why if we, because he said he never shot a rifle? |
| 0:19.5 | I said, is there any reason why this had happened about 24 to 48 hours prior to me speaking with him? I said, is there any reason why if we used a gunshot residue test that could test for rifle versus pistol propellant, is there any reason why on your hands it would show that you shot a rifle in the last 48 hours? Now, this was just kind of a ploy, right? I don't think there's any GSR that can differentiate, but he didn't know that. And he said, like, that look of like, and then, oh, you know what? Actually, I went out with my buddies about three days ago and we went out and shot some rifle rounds. And then getting into the who, what, when, where, why, he just went downhill |
| 0:54.2 | from there. And eventually he came in on it as far as he was the individual that shot. |
| 0:58.9 | I'm Steve Murphy, DEA special agent retired and now host of the Game of Crimes podcast. |
| 1:04.2 | If you've seen the Netflix series Narcos, then you know my story. I now bring you stories |
| 1:09.7 | of heroism and bravery from our law enforcement and military heroes |
| 1:13.9 | and occasionally from the criminals that they faced. |
| 1:17.6 | Welcome to Game of Crimes. |
| 1:36.0 | Thank you. Hey, gang, welcome back for part two of this week's episode of Game of Crimes with Murph in the morning. |
| 1:37.6 | Thanks for coming back. |
| 1:42.8 | Told you yesterday, this is the first time we've had a Secret Service agent on the Game of Crimes. |
| 1:44.3 | The show's been going for almost five years now. Did've had Tommy Golden on here, who was a uniformed secret service, and then became |
| 1:49.2 | DE agent, got to work with him down in Miami back in the 80s when it was still the Wild West, |
| 1:54.4 | and we had a blast. But we got started yesterday, and this all came about from a book that our guest, Brad Beeler has written. |
| 2:03.4 | It's called Tell Me Everything. |
| 2:05.5 | I'm highly recommended it. |
| 2:07.2 | It's like I do most of our guests that have books on here. |
| 2:10.4 | You want to learn more about polygrapers, about the Secret Service and what they do? |
| 2:16.5 | Honestly, Brad, I didn't realize that you guys had your own polygrapers. I just kind of figured you relied on other agencies. We did that in the past, but we now have our own polygraphers in DEA. And by the way, welcome back to part two of this week's show. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. So I keep telling them I've got a ton of questions, but we keep talking about stuff that's so |
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