life doesn't get easier and the weight doesn't get lighter you get stronger that's how life works

right that's just that's that's something that i really wish that people would accept um

because then more and more people would lean into uh you know the i guess the painful things in life

it's it there's this inclination we have to run away or shy away

from that stuff and then you just die the death of a thousand cuts instead of just facing

shit head up you know what I mean it doesn't make sense to me let's go welcome to Welcome to Citizen.

We've got a special guest today,

Carrie King Brown from Black Wolf, which is sort of like Uber.

Before we get into all that, the business stuff, let's talk about you for a moment.

Where'd you grow up?

Originally a group in New York, Long Island, Hamidville, to be exact. And then I moved to Georgia

when I was about nine years old, and then, you know, circulated back from Florida back and forth.

What was in Georgia? My mom was trying to get the hell out of New York. You know, the MS-13 was taking over

at Hamityville, gangs were coming in, and she's like, I'm out of here. It costs too much. Let's get

some land in Georgia. So I was new to it. What was it like growing up in Long Island, I guess?

I mean, certainly it wasn't always MS-13.

I mean, it's different, right?

So Long Island is different from Brooklyn.

It's different from Queens.

I mean, we were more in the suburbs.

You know, before that, I was another place called Rockland.

And that's like the country of New York, way, way, way up north.

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