I said, well, I'll just give Coach Cal and call tomorrow.

So to say, and something in my gut said, no, just go ahead and call now

because I didn't want to have any regrets.

And Coach Cal told me had I not called that night, he would have been on an airplane already leaving Arizona.

So they wouldn't have had that impression.

They wouldn't have had the face to face.

It doesn't mean they wouldn't have talked.

But it was just right there.

But I think we all know in sometimes the meeting of face to face

goes a long ways versus the Zoom call or the phone call.

I mean, when you're at the table breaking bread together it changes the dynamics in a room Welcome into the Hog Pot. I'm Bo Mattingly and this episode is made possible by our friends at

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We've had a lot of conversations over the years, but I think it's the first one we've actually

recorded.

Absolutely. I've always been careful. I think it's the first one we've actually recorded.

Absolutely.

I've always been careful.

Yeah, it's been obviously fun to watch

what's happened with basketball and you and John Calipare your friends and I see he's got a

locker here at the at the blessings. Yeah him and Kenny. Yeah you're a big sports fan and this golf club is an example of that.

Tell me about the blessings we're sitting here today.

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