Welcome to the show. What's the legal, which is to say the canonical status of the February 11th announcement made by then Pope Benedict the 16th 2013 in his what they're calling abdication is Benedict the 16th still the real sitting sovereign pontiff the vicar of Christ.

That's what we're going to explore with professor Edmund Mazza right here on the Patrick Coffin show. This is a very important episode you will want to share with your friends Catholic or non.

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You know me I'm a famous actor in the narrator of every documentary ever made and I'm the voice of the thrice holy god and I say unto you listen to my servant Patrick Coffin like about 99.72% of Catholics there seems to be something very strange going on with.

The papacy of Francis of Rome the former Cardinal Archbishop of Buenos Aires Jorge Mario Bergoglio I began to think thoughts around 2016 maybe 17 that maybe Christ our Lord didn't positively ordain this crazy weaponized ambiguity this globalist agenda this posing with communists and left-wing proportion celebrities maybe it's not the real Pope and I began to do some reading about anti

Pope's and I was privileged to come across the work of professor Edmund Mazza and that's why I'm having here having him here in the show to talk about the the abdication text and learn the distinction between the the monus and the ministerio so get your Latin nerd scholar on

professor Mazza is a former full professor of history at Azusa Pacific University in Los Angeles he is the author of the scholastics and the Jews coexistence conversion and the medieval origins of tolerance published by Angelico press and the current host of the bar of history over at virginmostpowerful.org Ed Mazza so great to talk to you.

So happy to be with you you're kind of part of the loose flotilla of crazy historians who who dare who have the to marry to raise the question maybe Pope Benedict in in leaving the active ministry of the of the papacy wanted to expose what he knew would be exposed so he created a renunciation of part of the papal office but not the being the ontology of the papal office.

So we're going to do some digging into the text I'm not a latinist although I married Latina doesn't quite count maybe let's press rewind Ed and and I want to ask you if there's one inciting incident that made your eyebrow raise to the level of well wait a second this is almost diametrically opposed to every previous pontiff what Francis is doing and saying.

Is it possible here that we have some kind of of anti pop situation because like you I began first thinking about the St. Gallen Mafia and maybe the the electors in the in the lead up to the March 2013 conclave we're doing things that were canonically illegal but then the first domino the first bookend you might say was the renunciation itself when did you begin thinking along these lines and investigating the the

thought of then Joseph Ratzinger about the papal office and maybe they're maybe we're looking at a semi renunciation what where did it begin for you.

Right Patrick like you said there were certain things that just didn't you know seem to my spidey sense to be correct of course amorous let's see a allowing communion for the divorced without proper

elements and then the magisterium kind of accepting that when Francesco accepted the Argentinian bishops conference interpretation of his amorous let's see the fact that he never answered the dubia fathers after years and years and years and years as you say the company they keep the fact that Jeffrey sacks and you know all these George Soros ex files smoking man

type people zero population in and out of the Vatican for conferences and whatnot but it was really the enthronement of the South American demon goddess

Pachamama back in October of 2019 that really said no something is off here and you know you and I are not the only people to actually start thinking like this six months ago

his his eminence is excellence the archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano the speaker at your recent conference he had something very interesting to say he said an interview with radio spada he said from many parts of the Catholic world especially in the conservative milieu we hear it said that Benedict the sixteenth is the true Pope and that Bergoglio is an antipope and he says something important he says this opinion is based on the

one hand on the belief that his renunciation is invalid due to the way it was formulated due to the pressure exerted by external forces or the distinction between

moonis office and papal ministerium or ministry and on the other hand the fact that a group of progressive cardinals is said to have tried to have their own

candidate elected at the conclave of 2013 in violation of the norms of the apostolic constitution university dominochie

graduates of Pope John Paul II and then he finishes by saying beyond the plausibility of these arguments which if confirmed could invalidate Bergoglio's election so his

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