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James, we got to talk about the Trump trial, I guess.

I've, I tune on television every day to see what, in time what they're saying and I read about it.

You know I must say that I the story the other day was the defense made gains when Stormy Daniels was on.

The judge actually chastised the prosecutors for a while.

I don't know how key Stormy Daniels is to the you know final outcome of this trial

what how and I she they got her to admit she hates Trump well I don't blame You know, why shouldn't she hate Trump, what he said about her?

You know, what's ignored in this and maybe it doesn't matter legally is that Trump denies this ever happened? Well, of course it happened.

I mean, why the hell would he pay her $130 if it didn't happen?

And, but, you know, those lies just are glossed over. James, I'm not sure how it's playing out in the country.

I'm not even sure if people are paying any attention to it.

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