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The Michael Shermer Show

247. Jacob Mchangama on Free Speech: A History from Socrates to Social Media

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2022

⏱️ 109 minutes

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Summary

Hailed as the “first freedom,” free speech is the bedrock of democracy, and it is subject to erosion in times of upheaval. Today, in democracies and authoritarian states around the world, it is on the retreat.

In this episode, based on the book Free Speech, Michael Shermer and Jacob Mchangama discuss the riveting legal, political, and cultural history of the principle, how much we have gained from it, and how much we stand to lose without it. Mchangama reveals how the free exchange of ideas underlies all intellectual achievement and has enabled the advancement of both freedom and equality worldwide. Yet the desire to restrict speech, too, is a constant.

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show.

0:11.6

Welcome. The Michael Sherman Show

0:19.4

Welcome to the Michael Sherman Show. I'm your host Michael Sherman. My guest today is Jacob Muschagama and his new book is Free free speech a history from Socrates to social media and as you

0:26.7

could see it's quite the tone there is a long history going all the way

0:31.2

back to the ancient Greeks of politicians and powerful people

0:35.2

trying to silence the speech of critics and anyone else. So most of our

0:41.7

podcast is not about the history of that. We go back to the

0:46.0

anti-slavery movement as far back as we go really well in the founding fathers

0:50.4

too and the Alien and Sedition Act but I don't go back to ancient Greece and

0:55.6

Rome and all that but for that I highly recommend the book it's a great read

0:59.4

it's an incredibly important book on the history of free speech.

1:04.0

Jacob is the founder and executive director of the Danish

1:07.2

Think Tank Yostisia and the host of the podcast Clear and

1:11.6

Present Danger, a history of free speech. the outlets he lives in Copenhagen, Denmark where we recorded this remotely. We mainly

1:26.8

focus on current events, free speech, compelled speech, free expression through music and videos and flag burning, cake baking,

1:39.3

and whatever else you want to do or say and to what extent the government should interfere

1:46.6

with that. We mostly argue that it shouldn't. But of course there are the gray areas in which like incitement to violence could be argued but it

1:57.4

rarely actually happens and the bar is at least in the United States set pretty

2:01.9

high to convict somebody for their speech that maybe

2:08.6

did or did not lead to violence.

2:11.6

We talk about the left and the right, different views on free speech and how both can

2:16.7

be censorious depending on the particular topic.

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