I definitely believe that this is the most outrageous, miserable failure on the part of the FBI in my lifetime.

This case reeks of CYA from one side to the other.

I don't think something like this is going to be solved until all the information comes out and people stop trying to cover themselves

and start telling the truth.

Hello and welcome to the best case where worst cases Jim Clement, you retired at the I Pro will follow former New York City prosecutor and right producer C.

Bess is criminal minds and with me today is.

Hi everybody, it's francey hates former state and federal prosecutor Jim. We have a brand new guest today. I'm so excited. We haven't had him on before.

I hear he's a legend and his name is.

Ray Carr. How are you everybody. Thanks for having me today. I'm a 26 year veteran of the FBI. I started out in Buffalo, New York in 1989 and then made my way to Philly at the end of 1991 and spent my time in Philadelphia until I retired at 2014.

Wait Jim, don't we know someone else who's worked out of the Philadelphia area one Jim fits fits Gerald. Do you know fits right.

I do. He's a very very good friend. I've known him for many years. I just was with him last week. We looked at a cold case together.

Oh really. Well, and it was in fact fits to sent me your name when I said, Hey guys, we need some people to interview that we haven't talked to before. It's that oh, I know one. His name's Ray Carr. So tell us a little bit about your bureau career. What were some of your assignments there in Buffalo and in Philadelphia.

I was on a violent crime squad in Buffalo and it was pretty interesting within nine months. I was up on a wire. My own wire. Wow.

I was in the international auto Jeffrey and it lasted about a little over a year and then before things even came to an end, I wind up transferring down to Philadelphia in 91 and I was on the bank robbery squad, which was very, very active at that time. We had probably somewhere in the area of 300 to 400 bank robbers and over 26 armor car robbers in 1991, 1999.

2002. And that's how I first made fits. Yeah, that's amazing.

And when the York. Right. We were we were Jim fits and I were both on the bank robbery task force in New York, which also has the sexual exploitation of children task force in New York. Also known as the gyms, the gyms work together.

And we actually had 2000 bank robberies in in the first year 1987. You know, most of them were no jobs. You know, there weren't as many, you know, very violent bank robberies at the time, but we did at least a bunch of armor car robberies too. I don't I think you probably had more armor car robberies than we did.

That was that was the was a big thing was the armor car robberies and the bank takeovers. They were coming over the bank as they were open to the bank, they wouldn't take over and had him go into the vaults. And they were the most violent, violent that we're working out of Philadelphia at that time. Wow.

Wow. And so how long were you in Philadelphia, right? Well, I spent my entire career there, the rest of my career, so I retired in 14, so 22 years. But in 96, I moved out to what they call a resident agency, which is like a satellite office of the Philadelphia division, where we were responsible for two counties. And you know, you think, well, that's not really that big. But when you think of the two counties, there were more people in the two counties and there were in a whole state of Delaware.

So, wow. People in those two counties, Delaware County, when you're in a resident agency, you have to do all the crimes. You can't really specialize. That's correct. So you have even more responsibility. That's correct.

And so what, what are they? What's it? Newtown Square. Okay. So what counties were where they Delaware County and Chester County and Newtown Square, Pennsylvania.

So it took a lot into and there, there's a hundred police departments in those two counts. Wow.

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