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Galaxy Bud Zefi by now at Samsung.com. Jen Couch founder of sober s, is passionate about making it safe for women to have a conversation about alcohol without judgment, labels, or rules.

She's a retired gray area drinker who realized in her 40s that her wine o'clock habit wasn't doing her any favors.

She started sober sis to share her knowledge and experience with other women who wanted to overcome drinking as a habit and lifestyle and enjoy an alcohol-free lifestyle instead.

If you've been contemplating giving up drinking for the new year, or as Jen says, are sober curious,

or even if you just want to know how to support others going through this journey,

then today's episode is for you.

Jen, I'm so excited to have you here today.

I just would love for you to introduce yourself to my audience for anyone who might not be familiar with you yet.

Yeah, my name is Jen Couch, aka sober sis, which really stands for your sober

minded sister and I am married. I'm a mom. I live in Fort Worth, Texas and I am a

mom but I'm a mom of adult children. So I made it through raising teenagers and I'm here still standing.

Well I need to learn all those all those tips from you too as I embark on that

journey soon. But we're actually here to talk about what you just said sober sis is like your passion in life so I'd love to kind of start there and and I'm actually really curious and you've talked sometimes on your Instagram about the detox to re-talk loop.

And I have to make a confession at the very beginning of this episode going to be

is going to be very educational for me. So I'm probably, this is going to be maybe like very educational for me

because I just, this isn't like my struggle but I very much know and love and

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