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Some Work, All Play

245. Why No Record is Safe, Strength Training Science, Plus Q+A on Electrolytes, Realism v. Optimism, Mental Toughness, and More!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Sports, Running

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2025

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Summary

Our minds were blown this weekend as more records were annihilated on the trails (at the Black Canyon 100k) and the track (at the Millrose Games)! We talk about The Performance Revolution: what's causing it, what we all can learn, and what comes next. The future is here. And the future is wildly fast!

Next up was a new study on strength training for cyclists! We talked about our evolving feelings on strength training, why we encourage athletes to do squats, and why we think single-leg split squats were created by an evil force who hates our glutes.

Then it was a lot of fun topics mixed with a "No Secrets" Q+A! Topics: Riley Brady and Tara Dower reset what's possible at the Black Canyon 100k, the tough decision calculus of how hard to go out at ultras in the modern era, inspiring stories from Black Canyon, Salomon hires one of the top metabolic and performance researchers, the influence of sodium bicarbonate in recent performances, optimism v. realism, adding small amounts of training consistently, dealing with low motivation, building mental toughness, electrolyte consumption, weighted vets, and lots more!

Quote to remember: "The invention of the ship was also the invention of the shipwreck."

Oops we did it again,

-David and Megan

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Woo!

0:01.0

Welcome to the Summerwork All Play podcast.

0:03.0

We are so happy to be with you today.

0:04.5

Happy Tuesday.

0:05.5

This Tuesday.

0:06.5

And I'm feeling ready to go deep in the pain cave on this Tuesday.

0:09.6

Deep in the pain cave.

0:11.1

What are you talking about?

0:12.0

Exactly in that voice.

0:13.5

Exactly.

0:14.5

Yeah.

0:15.5

It has to come from the depths of hell.

0:16.5

That's basically what I'm considering there.

0:18.0

That's how I'm picturing it. It comes from the fact that this weekend I was downstairs in our pain cave on the bike watching Black Canyon live footage of people

0:25.3

in the pain cave. And it was like Payne Cave squared and I was so into it. I was like, bring me there.

0:30.3

Bring me to the depths of the hell. Okay. So it motivates you to see these people suffering at the Black Canyon 100K. It's actually wild how good the coverage is now, but sometimes you get close-ups of people going through it, and that made you feel good about Ultras?

0:43.0

Yeah, you get drone footage sweeping down and covering someone vomiting, and I'm like, take me there.

0:47.9

I want that. You can take me there. I want that so much. Yeah, they actually, I timed my bike with

0:53.9

the end of the race,

0:54.8

which is convenient for timing it with optimal amounts of suffering. And I saw Seth Ruling.

0:59.8

I heard he came out of an aid station and was vomiting. Eli Hemming was going through a bit of a vision

1:04.1

quest out there. And I was like, sign me up. I want this. I mean, that shows you're ready for altos because as you've talked about before,

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