244. Why Pressure is Good, The Strange Science of Downhills, Plus Q+A on Ketones, Strides, Weekly Mileage, Anxiety, Going All-In, and More!

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Sports, Running

4.8 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2025

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Summary

We embraced the pressure for 2025 before recording this great episode! A concept we disagree with is that "pressure will break down the mind," referring to saying big, scary goals out loud. Our main idea: pressure is a joyful part of sports. We talk about our long journey to get to this point, and why you should want the ball with time running out, your team down by 2, everyone counting on you. Pressure is fun!

The big science topic was one of the strangest parts of human physiology: the repeated bout effect. Just a single, short exposure to steep downhill running causes massive changes in muscle properties and biomechanics on subsequent sessions, even when those sessions are weeks apart. What's happening? We break down the murky science to bring some clarity for what it means for training.

Then it was a "No Secrets" Q+A! Topics: high-carb fueling for mental performance, anxiety in athletes, talent and "long patience," weekly mileage, our evolving thoughts on ketones, workout structure, going all-in, terrain and form for strides, cereal choices, heat training and family planning, and a whole bunch of off-the-cuff hot takes.

The quote to remember: "talent is long patience."

The quote to forget: "those strings are coming out of WHERE?"

It'll make sense soon.

Pulling strings forever,

-Megan and David

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0:00.0	Woo! Welcome to the Summerwork AllPlay podcast. We are so happy to be with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And our muscles are back to feeling groovy on this Tuesday.
0:09.4	Back to feel and groovy. What do you talk about? Actually, groovy might be an overstatement. Our muscles are back to being intact, and namely your muscles.
0:16.4	I feel like you're shitting on me here right now, and the listeners don't know why. I think I know
0:21.3	the reason, though, which is on Saturday, we did our first date night since baby Ollie was one.
0:26.9	Honestly, it's probably two and a half months since we've had a date night. Actually, I think
0:30.0	longer than that. I think it might be in the territory of four to five months. It was far too
0:34.1	long. And we sat at the bar. It was amazing. Yeah. Well, this podcast is a date morning.
0:37.9	That's true. So that counts. But as we were getting back and I was getting ready to put the kids in the car,
0:43.6	I'm just trying to stand there and I fell into a snowbank, not because I slipped on ice or anything like that.
0:51.3	I fell into a snowbank because my quads did not have enough
0:54.1	integrity to stay upright. And it was a trajectory from the rest of the night because we drove
0:58.8	to date night and we're driving up this parking structure and we're going up to level four,
1:03.1	up to level five. And you realized the elevator didn't work. And so I got to see you take like
1:08.1	four minutes to get down the stairs because of your sore-ass quads.
1:12.2	Oh, it hurts so bad.
1:13.6	And now we're sitting here on Monday and my quads are still incredibly sort of a touch.
1:17.5	And this all comes from on Friday.
1:19.6	I did the Gold Hill route here in Boulder.
1:21.8	The route that makes champions that starts in downtown Boulder, goes up to Gold Hill,
1:25.8	which is at like 8,500 feet, and back down.
1:28.7	And I just have not done almost any vert all the way since Havillina.
1:33.9	And a lot of that is by practicality.
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