Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah. And this is the squiggly careers podcast where each week we've talked about a different topic to do with work and discuss some ideas for action and advice that we hope will help you and it always helps us navigate our way through our squiggly careers. So I was, I recorded a podcast of somebody who's coming on soon, Sarah, and they said that research is

me search. And I was like, that, that is very true. It's slightly cringy phrase, but I can see the

truth in that statement. Yeah, if you're going to do a podcast, you might as well help yourself at the same time,

hey? And for everyone listening, perhaps if you follow us an Instagram or if you're a real fan, you will have absolutely heard about our new book, You Coach You, which is going to be out in the world very soon.

And as you'd probably expect from us, it's a really practical book.

It's got more than 50 ideas for action, over 100 coach yourself questions and loads of tools to try out.

It'll be really useful if you're trying

to figure out a career challenge like how to make progress in a way that works for you, where your

career might take you next, how to build yourself belief, or maybe find more purpose from the work

that you do. And we also cover more generally the mindset, skill set and toolkit that we just think will help you to coach yourself whatever your opportunity or obstacle right now.

So we really appreciate, we know some of you will have already pre-ordered.

So thank you so much for doing that and for bearing with us as we sort of have to do a slightly more of a sales drive over the next month or so.

But pre-orders help us so much just to get the book off to a really good start and for people

sharing it. So if you want to order an early Christmas present for yourself, for your friends,

or if you just think it would be a good addition to your bookshelf. Thank you in advance.

We really appreciate those pre-orders. They make a massive difference to us. And the podcast

topic we're going to talk about today is also inspired by You Coach You, where we talk about the

difference between being a thinker versus a doer and how it affects your ability to coach yourself.

It's quite useful that Sarah is a thinker and I am a doer.

So it gives you a very real and different way of looking at them.

So maybe you'll relate more to Sarah or maybe you'll relate more to me.

But today we're going to take the idea of being a thinker and a doer a bit broader than just coaching

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