What's up everybody? This is Cortland from IndieHackers.com and you're listening to the

IndieHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of

money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these Indie hackers to discuss the ideas,

the opportunities, and the strategies they're taking advantage of, so the rest of us can do the same.

Today I'm talking to Rob Walling.

Rob has been on the show plenty of times before.

He is the founder of MicroConf, the best conference for bootstrapped founders. He's the

founder of Tiny Seed, where he invests in bootstrapped founders. And he was also the founder of

drip, an email marketing tool that he sold for millions of dollars. Finally, Rob is the host of a

great podcast called Startups for the Rest of us. I recommend checking it out if you haven't yet.

We actually recorded this interview on his show

and I'm cross-posting it here for all of you to listen to you.

Enjoy.

I'm Rob Walling, you're Cortland Allen.

We're putting this on both of our feeds.

So I can't just like do the startups for the rest of us intro because people be like, wait a minute, this is on the indie hackers feed. So I think we're coming out a day apart, but I'm excited to sit down with you, man. Me too. You're always one of my favorite people to chat with and like podcasts forum in real life too. And I feel like you asked the question on Twitter, what should we talk about? And we got like a million different answers. Plus we had a list of stuff we want to talk about. And so maybe we'll go along this time. I think we can. Yeah, I'm excited about it. Likewise, too, I appreciate the compliment. I certainly feel the same way. I really look forward to you and I sit down because we have, I feel like we have enough shared and enough shared kind of worldviews of bootstrapping and indie hacking that it makes sense but not the overlap's not a complete circle you know like a Venn diagram that's just a circle and so there's I always learn feel like I learn from you and I expand my thinking when when we talk it's funny you say that I listened to your episode on my first million and I think Near the end of the episode you were giving startup ideas and Sam Parr I think it was the one hosting that particular one and he's a funny guy because he's so disagreeable. Like no matter what you say he'll just like come out and be like, I think this is absolutely untrue to say the exact opposite and he's not afraid of looking dumb and being like, is really entertaining. But I think you and I agree on a lot. So we probably won't

have that kind of talk. But agreement is also cool. Oh, yes, we will because I'm going to

now you're going to make me disagree with everything you say just to do it. So, well, the first

thing I'm going to say is I just made an offer to a producer who's going to really be heading up all the kind of back office stuff for startups to the rest of us, the microcom podcast, microcomf YouTube.

I wanted to find out, I mean, in total inside baseball from one podcaster to another, but do you still do a lot of the work?

I know, I don't imagine you

do audio editing,

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