To be a good trial lawyer, you need to be a constant student of human nature and you have to understand human nature.

Welcome to the Jordan Harbinger Show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with my producer, Jason DeFilippo.

If you were a listener of our previous podcast, which we won't name just now, you might have some questions.

I get it. We'll handle all that at some point. But right now, let's focus on the future.

In our immediate future, we have Mark Garagos. He is such an interesting character, man. I'll tell you right now.

When I first had the opportunity to do this show, I thought a celebrity lawyer, I don't know. It's not really up my alley.

But I realized not only is he one of the smartest guys in LA and one of the most well-known lawyers in the country,

he's represented Michael Jackson, Winona Ryder, Gary Condit, Susan McDougall, Scott Peterson. He even got a presidential pardon

for one of his clients, Susan McDougall. That process alone was fascinating enough for the legal geek

former lawyer in me. But today, for you, we're going to explore why nonverbal communication and body language

actually matter in the courtroom and how he has mastered this formula for himself and, of course,

for his celebrity clients if they hit the stand and will discuss the court of public opinion

and why it matters even more today than ever and will uncover the skills Mark uses to control his

emotions during life and death trials in some of the highest profile cases, not only in our country,

but in the world. So please enjoy this first episode of the Jordan Harbinger Show with my friend, Mark Garagos.

Mark, definitely thank you for doing this. I know it's Saturday. Saturdays, you'd be shocked

at how often I work on Saturdays. Yeah, I mean, you know, I wouldn't be having worked with a bunch of

lawyers recently. Now I'm like, these guys are on 24-7. And when I used to work at a law firm, I thought

that I was just getting a typical Wall Street first year associate or junior associate deal

where you work seven days a week. But now I realize if you're a lawyer and you got work to do,

you're doing it. And it doesn't really matter when it is or what day it is.

It's exactly right. Nothing you can do. And I think for you, especially working with celebrities and

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