#243 Learn To Spot This Common Logical Fallacy (Counterfeit Argument)
Shameless Popery
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🗓️ 22 January 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | They arbitrarily pick which councils they want to consider authoritative. |
| 0:04.0 | You don't believe in 2,99 gods, and I don't believe in just one more. |
| 0:09.9 | Hey, look, there's this thing you regard is real, and this thing you regard is fake, |
| 0:13.8 | and therefore it's arbitrary for you to believe one of them is real and one of them is fake. |
| 0:17.8 | No, it could be arbitrary, but it's not necessarily. So let's unpack that |
| 0:21.9 | argument. Welcome back to James Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire. And I want to answer a kind of argument |
| 0:26.9 | that I hear used to argue against Catholicism, to argue against church councils and the Pope, |
| 0:32.6 | to argue against Christianity itself, to argue against the Bible, to argue against even the existence of God. |
| 0:39.9 | And you'll hear this argument in different forms, sometimes by Protestants, sometimes by non-Christian, |
| 0:44.9 | sometimes by atheists. And you might not recognize it as the same argument. So I'm going to give |
| 0:50.5 | some examples of it from everyone from Ryan at Needgod.net to Ricky Jervase |
| 0:56.3 | and show how it's a similar kind of argument being used. I'm calling it the counterfeit argument. |
| 1:01.8 | It goes a little bit like this. You believe there is a true thing. There's a church council. |
| 1:09.1 | There's a pope. There's a book of the Bible. |
| 1:11.4 | There's a religion. |
| 1:12.5 | There's a God. |
| 1:13.6 | But look, here's something false that also claims to be that thing. |
| 1:18.2 | So therefore, you're being arbitrary and believing in one and not the other. |
| 1:23.1 | And therefore, we should reasonably reject both of them. |
| 1:26.2 | Now, that might sound like a silly argument. |
| 1:28.1 | Let me give you some examples of people using this argument in the wild, as it were. |
| 1:33.7 | Starting, as I said, with Ryan from Need God, where he argues is one of his ten reasons to reject |
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