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Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness Podcast.

So seven years ago my guest today published what has become an underground hit on masculinity.

His name is Jack Donovan and that book was the way of men.

I had Jack on the podcast a few years ago to discuss that book.

Check it out if you haven't listened to it yet.

Anyways in the way of men Donovan argued that for men to really live what he calls the tactical virtues of masculinity,

they needed to form an all male honor group of what he calls a gang.

In his latest book becoming a barbarian, Donovan lays out what creating these honor groups would look like.

And on today's show, Jack and I discuss why masculinity is often tragic, why today's modern world makes it hard for men to form male honor groups.

The difference between a club and a tribe and what it means to start the world after the show is over,

check out the show notes at a.m.is slash barbarian where you can get links and resources to delve deeper into this topic.

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Jack Donovan, welcome back to the show.

Thanks for having me, man.

Alright so your last book was the way of men which has kind of become this underground cult classic among men.

So what's been the reaction to that book and what kind of guys are reading it and what are the responses you're getting from them?

Well the reaction of the book I mean I never imagined when I wrote it that you know I end up selling I think I've probably sold about 50,000 copies worldwide.

That's insane dude.

Yeah yeah yeah it's been translated into Portuguese and French.

It just came out in Deutschland this past month.

And yeah I mean it's blown me away.

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