242 - Daniel Townhead and Kenneth Florence - Egregores, AI and the Golem

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 824 Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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This conversation was prompted by two articles Daniel and Ken wrote on the Symbolic World blog on the topic and use of the word “egregore”. Here we discuss what this term means and how it fits into the symbolic worldview, the traditional cosmology and Christianity. We also talk about alternative terms like golem, artificial intelligence, and more generally how we can approach and categorize higher beings, angels and principalities. Articles mentioned - The Symbolic World vs Egregores, Part 1, by Daniel Townhead & Kenneth Florence: https://thesymbolicworld.com/articles/the-symbolic-world-vs-egregores-part-1/ - The Symbolic World vs Egregores, Part 2, by Daniel Townhead & Kenneth Florence: https://thesymbolicworld.com/articles/the-symbolic-world-vs-egregores-part-2/ Conversations with Jordan Hall and John Vervaeke on this topic: - Egregores, Mobs and Demons | with Jordan Hall & John Vervaeke: https://youtu.be/89uP5KiP1sI - Collective Intelligence: Angels in Scientific Terms | with John Vervaeke: https://youtu.be/Y9ZaFNIH0co - Angels in Scientific Terms | pt.2 | with John Vervaeke: https://youtu.be/2BVjIOpV9KQ Other relevant content: - The Book of Enoch: Fallen Angels and the Modern Crisis: https://youtu.be/QtmLCK1keFI - Symbolism of the Beasts in The Book of Revelation: https://youtu.be/-wchjSeB5Oo ============================== Original video: https://youtu.be/-OwUCvrfNyI - The Symbolic World website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com - Merch: http://www.thesymbolicworld.store - Language of Creation, by Matthieu Pageau: https://www.amazon.com/Language-Creation-Cosmic-Symbolism-Genesis-ebook/dp/B07D738HD8 Support this podcast: - Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/support/ - Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos - Subscribestar: https://www.subscribestar.com/jonathan-pageau - Paypal: http://www.paypal.me/JonathanPageau Join the conversation: - Unofficial Facebook discussion group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1989208418065298/ - The Symbolic World Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSymbolicWorld/ Social media links: - Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld - Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson. My website designers, Anomalist Design: https://www.anomalistdesign.com/

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0:00.0	I think that's interesting with these AI beings that, you know, get really, really close to crossing the Uncanny Valley but never quite get there is I think the notion that that kind of an entity is always going to be a puppet, right?
0:15.1	It's never going to have true life. So there's always going to be people who are able to kind of intuitively
0:21.5	sense that something is off. There's a feeling that it gives you that, that, that you can detect.
0:27.6	And so I suspect that, you know, like the, the realer that these, that these puppets become,
0:32.5	you'll always be able to detect that something is off. And it's like, yeah, but listen to what I'm going to,
0:38.5	I'm going to say something that's going to,
0:39.9	what if that oddity,
0:43.1	they deify that oddity,
0:45.3	that that's it because that's the,
0:47.2	the experience of the sacred is something which is not totally,
0:51.3	which is pulling you into something else.
0:54.8	And so you can use, you could use this weird, uncanny sense to create a kind of perversion of the sacred.
1:17.6	This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello everybody. I'm here with Ken Florence and Daniel Townhead. Ken and Daniel wrote an article
1:33.6	recently for the Symbolic World blog on Egregor, who wrote there were two articles, actually.
1:38.6	And for those who have been following the discussion on my channel with John Ravakey, with Paul Vanderclay,
1:43.3	there's this big discussion
1:44.9	about the question of agentic beings or transpersonal beings or there's all these ways of
1:50.8	trying to name them. The idea that there is some kind of agency beyond the human level,
1:55.6	of course, for religious thinkers, this is something that isn't surprising to us, but for
2:00.3	people coming out of
2:01.4	materialism or people who have lived in a secular materialist world, it's difficult. People kind of
2:07.1	perceive it. I think more and more people can see it, but they're struggling to find the right
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