#2419 - John Lisle

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan

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4.6 • 228.6K Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2025

⏱️ 161 minutes

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John Lisle has a Ph.D. in history from the University of Texas, where he is now a professor of the history of science. His two books on the intelligence community are "The Dirty Tricks Department" and "Project Mind Control: Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA, and the Tragedy of MKULTRA."www.johnlislehistorian.comhttps://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250338747/projectmindcontrol/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. Join today at https://www.visible.com/rogan Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN •GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY).Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $200 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 1/11/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/4/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Joe Rogan podcast checking out.
0:04.0	The Joe Rogan Experience.
0:06.1	Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
0:12.5	John, what's happening, man?
0:14.1	Not much.
0:14.6	It's good to meet you.
0:15.5	You too.
0:15.9	Thanks for having me.
0:17.4	I know you're in the middle of a project.
0:19.5	You're doing a project with David Chase, right? It's
0:22.1	about MK Ultra and... Yes, he has gotten the rights to this book. You know, this book,
0:27.6	Project Mind Control, and he's, yeah, interested in adapting it into a series. Well, I am
0:32.4	endlessly fascinated with the subject. So as soon as I heard about it, and they said the series is
0:37.4	coming, but you could talk to the guy who wrote the book now. I'm like, let's go. So as soon as I heard about it, and they said the series is coming,
0:37.9	but you could talk to the guy who wrote the book now. I'm like, let's go. So here we go.
0:41.8	Project Mind Control, Sydney Gottlieb, the CIA, and the tragedy of MK Ultra, which really is a
0:48.3	tragedy. You know, I really got, and I knew about it, but I really didn't get completely obsessed with it until
0:57.3	chaos, Tom O'Neill's book.
0:58.7	Have you read that?
0:59.3	Oh, yeah.
1:00.0	And when you realize what the MK Ultra program involved and how long it ran and how insane
1:06.9	it is, and it essentially had no oversight. And these people were just running these wild
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