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May I tell you something very quickly about someone I interviewed was talking about co-dependency?

And specifically with if you have a child or a loved one who is an addiction, just that process.

And I was talking, was asking them about that. And he said something that is

adjacent to things that you have said about Jesus and people who are desperate. But the way he put

it, because I was like, well, what do you say to a parent if you, you know,

you don't want to see your kid out on the street. You don't want to see. And he said,

what I would say is desperation, the point of desperation is where miracles can happen. And in the Bible miracles, that's where miracles happened at the point of desperation. And if you keep

rescuing them and stop the point of desperation. And if you keep rescuing them and stop the point

of desperation from happening, you are in fact stopping the miracle from happening. And that was,

oh my goodness, that just blew my mind. And not just for like addiction. This is for for you know uh or codependency it's it's

you know as as we continue to talk about it my own for me my own desire just for control right like

I'm going to fix it I'm going to make it okay I'm going to pull it okay. I'm going to pull it all together.

And just the viewpoint of someone saying, no, actually what you're doing is you're intervening when people are trying or can get to God. You've inserted yourself. So that's tough.

That's good.

You can get this now. You can buy this new gadget. It's a spoon that silences your phone while you eat. Interesting. Yeah. So it's a high-tech

spoon automatically. There's a button on it. Isn't there a button on your phone to silence the

It's exactly where I was going. It's like I already. There's a way to do it already. Thank you. Great. Now I'm

to Bluetooth. I don't want to Bluetooth everything. I think this is true.

I just read that all temptations, like every single temptation you can think of,

they're all predicated on the same thing that you're going to miss out if you're loyal to God.

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