What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

NDHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of

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I'm here with Peter Levels. It's a man who needs very little introduction, but I'll do on

anyway. You're the founder of Nomad List, sort of The Hub for Digital Nomads.

You're the founder of Remote OK, the biggest remote job board in the world. And you're probably the primary inspiration for Endie Hackers itself. And I think it's been like four years now. Yeah, it's been four years since you've been on the show. So this is your second time. How's it going? I'm great, man. So nice to see you again. It feels like a century. It feels like we spoke last, like 100 years ago. It's great to see you, man. I heard you've been living on offline life recently, so that's really nice to hear. I've been super chill. I've been much less of a workaholic than I've ever been in my entire life.

And honestly, it's like disorienting because I'm like, what do I do with myself? Like, what do I do? And like, it's hard to like find hobbies and stuff because they sometimes don't feel like as meaningful as like doing like a crazy all-in startup or being super passion. I'm like, I guess I'm going to collect a lot of plants and water them, but I'm like, this is pointless.

Maybe I'll get back into it soon.

Awesome. up or being super passionate. I'm like, I guess I'm going to collect a lot of plants and water them, but I'm like, this feels pointless.

So maybe I'll get back into it soon. Oh, so nice. Yeah. I know exactly the feeling you're talking about. Yeah. I've been trying to slow down as well repeatedly over the last few years. But I don't know, man. It goes in cycles, right? Like you, uh, yeah, you go in these work times and then you, you feel like burned out.

You're like, oh my God, I work too much. And then you want to relax, but then you get bored because you've done real life and real life also gets boring after a while. So it's like this endless dance, right? Yeah, yeah. You just switch from one to the other. Although you're like, I don't view you as like a cyclic person because it's like what we were talking about last week you're like oh I've

I've realized that I've shipped for a thousand days straight on work in progress the community

so it's like literally not a single day in the last thousand days have you missed yeah

and that's like that's real consistency yeah I feel like I've had that for like, that's real consistency, you know. Yeah.

I feel like I've had that for like maybe 34 years.

I read that from probably like age 8 to age 34 and then just like.

Wait, from age 8 to age 34 you've been working nonstop?

Basically.

Age 8 was like, I want to go to, I want to get an MIT.

And then it was like, work super hard. A brief stint where i was like i want to become a professional starcraft player and then i realized like i wasn't as

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