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Centralized systems that rely on really efficient supply chains are beautiful works of art.

But they also leave us very vulnerable.

That was Lonnie Grafman, a professor of community-based design at Humboldt State University,

the president of Apropedia Foundation, director of the awesome business competition, and author

of To Catch the Rain. Lonnie is really up to so many incredible

projects, so I'm really excited for you to be inspired by everything that he's doing and what he

calls practivism as a way to make this otherwise really challenging journey we're on

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