Hello and welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast. Today's episode is part of our Ask the Expert series

and we're going to be diving into the topic of leadership. But if this is your first time listening,

let me just take a few seconds to tell you what this podcast is all about. So it's a weekly show.

We now have over 230 episodes and we started the podcast just to help people with careers today, the ups and downs and ins and outs of everything squiggly. We hope that it is a podcast that you can come back to that feels really practical, that has lots of ideas and support for you so that you can take what you listen and do something with

it. So often you're here from myself and Sarah talking about topics and our experiences and

sometimes we bring in experts like we have today. Today you're going to hear Sarah and me talk

to Renee Carriol, a world-renowned leadership expert. And together we explore the skills that contribute

to effective leadership, how we can all demonstrate leadership in our day jobs, regardless of

our level or our role, and also how you can get started with intentional leadership if it

feels like something that you want to focus on and ultimately be known for in your career.

And this series of the RSI expert

is supported by the uncertainty experts, an immersive learning experience which is scientifically

proven for you to reduce the fear of the unknown. And you can sign up to join the next series

of this unique program in November, where you'll learn how to tackle the negative impacts on uncertainty,

reduce your anxiety, increase your empathy, and also improve your ability to make decisions

and solve problems. We have a discount for anybody who wants to join the program and all the

details are in the show notes. Or if you can't find the show notes, we do get messages from people

going, where are the show notes?

Just email us if it's easier. It's just Helen and Sarah at squiggly careers.com and then we can get

back to you with all the details. At the end of the episode, you'll also hear from one of the uncertainty

experts, John Peters, who is an ex-fighter pilot turned author and leadership coach, a very good

example of Squiggly,

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