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now Jackie I want to be very clear that today is going to be a very clear podcast.

We're going to be very clear in our answers, and we're not going to obfuscate any questions clearly.

I'm very clear that that's what you've told me clearly that we're going to be doing today, Ian.

So that's all clear.

Thank you.

Did you, when you were in politics, did you find yourself saying, look, we've been very clear about this,

which always indicates to me that a politician hasn't been clear,

because if they had been clear, the interviewer wouldn't be asking the question.

It's a way of filling up an answer when you think to yourself, oh, I'm in the shit here.

And perhaps if I say, I don't think, I think I've been very clear that somehow or another,

the listeners will believe that you really have been very clear when it's obvious that you haven't been very clear.

And of course, the reason that we're talking about this is because of Pretty Patel, the Home Secretary,

who I don't know if you, did you see her press conference yesterday?

I didn't, unfortunately. I've heard some of the fallout but i didn't my goodness i mean you just really begin to wonder

sort of what why i mean she hasn't done a press conference since the 22nd of may and it was

pretty bleeding obvious why after having watched that car crash yesterday dear Dear, oh dear. What went wrong exactly?

Was this, and incidentally, was this her 35th, 50th? 35th, yes. And did you know, this great revelation

that she told us that we're in the middle of a health pandemic?

Oh shit. That explains what?

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