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Welcome to Crawl Space, I'm Tim here today with Lance Lance, how are you today?

I'm doing so well today Tim, really, I couldn't be better, how are you doing?

I am doing great and I'm excited that we get to throw it to our conversation with Kevin McCracken and Suave Gonzalez, recorded live on Get Vocal, it was like two weeks ago, and these guys are great.

They host the podcast called Death by Incarceration, that is on the Crawl Space Media Podcast Network, check it out if you haven't already, and check out their website, deathbyincarcerationpodcast.com.

And this interview came to us while Kevin and Suave were together in person in Philadelphia, because they had their live show, which they sold out, which had a very special guest there, impressively, the president's daughter Ashley Biden, and we're privy to some information, stay tuned for some developments there, Suave and Ashley Biden have now established a relationship that will likely become something very productive in the world of criminal reform.

It's amazing to see what's happened to the trajectory of Suave Gonzalez, since he started Death by Incarceration, they didn't reach out to Ashley Biden, she reached out to them, and I think that's about as much as I can say right now, but it's exciting, and stay tuned for more news there.

That's right, and we sort of talk about it in this interview, that there was a very special guest who was coming to their live show.

But we've had some audio problems with the get vocal audio taken directly, maybe some internet issues, but we did have to cut out a good chunk of this episode that was about an hour long when we recorded it at the conversation, but the audio product just wasn't great what we were given to work with, so that is why it's short.

But if you want to hear more from Kevin and Suave, be sure to check out Death by Incarceration, the podcast, the first season is wrapping up, they're on episode nine, and all of those episodes just seem to get better and better and better.

And Tim, you mentioned our discussion with them, and we said that they had a special guest, and before they had the show, they couldn't reveal the special guest, and it felt like some sort of promotion to entice people to go like they had a celebrity.

They literally would have loved to talk about her, but they couldn't say anything because of the secret service, so they just couldn't say it.

It would have affected her even attending, because the secret service would have had to shut it down, which is so impressive to me.

Right, and the show was sold out anyway, so it wasn't, it definitely wasn't a cheap promotion for anything.

Yeah, it's amazing. The growth that the show has shown and the guests that these guys Kevin and Suave have been able to get on the show, it's just remarkable.

So if you're not listening to it, please check it out, Death by Incarceration, there are links in the show notes.

And if you haven't yet purchased your ticket to the Wilbur this Saturday, you should do so soon, the Wilbur in Boston, Massachusetts, a historic theater, a historic venue, and it's going to be a historic show with you, Tim, myself, Maggie,

we have the true crime obsessed duo, we have Patrick Heinz and Jillian Pensavale, and we are going to bring down that historic venue for a couple of hours, and we need you there.

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