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Welcome to another episode, Bell Babies.

We're so glad that you're here.

You guys know how much Eugene and I think about sleep and try to harness the power of sleep to unlock our

full potential by way of getting better sleep, seeing what we can figure out. And we've done a lot

of research. We've experimented with wearables. We've tracked our sleep. But there's so much we don't know. There's a lot of myths and misunderstandings. Thank God, y'all, that that rise came into our lives, started sponsoring our episodes because they filled in a lot of the gaps. For instance, we know now that it's normal to feel groggy when we

wake up and sluggish in the afternoon. That's a normal thing. However, it's not normal to feel

tired throughout the day. Something's going on there. Something's wrong. That means you're carrying

a sleep debt and you are limiting your natural energy peaks and making your dips less productive.

Sleep debt, you're asking me, what is that?

Well, it's the only sleep score that matters.

And Rise tracks how much sleep you owe your body relative to your own unique sleep need

and helps you pay it back.

Rise is also tracking your Sarcadian rhythm.

And your Sarcadian rhythm dictates your personal energy peaks and dips throughout the day.

And Rise not only predicts your daily energy schedule, it helps you take control of it.

That's what I love about Rise.

Because I mentioned that Eugene and I were experimenting with these wearables.

Eugene got an Apple Watch.

He's playing with that.

I did a Fitbit for a while. The aura ring. We'd look at it. We'd see, oh, wow, look at this is the sleep. This is how much, you know, Delta sleep by God. This is how much REM sleep by God. This is this. And then we'd sit there and we think, all right, what the hell do we do now? What do we do with this? What does it even mean? I got a little bit more of this kind of sleep versus that kind of sleep. Is that better? How much more sleep should I get? What do I do? Pulling our hair out. Well, Rise works with those wearables, guys. It pulls the historical data from those wearables and apps. It also will use your phone.

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