Then you've got to plan for profit.

That's the most important thing.

And that's one thing that I've always been lucky I've always done is I've always had some money

that I planned into the budget that I've had that little bit of profit that, you know,

is kind of carried me through when things are lead.

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and ask questions there too. So I'm talking about this thing like it's been an entity for a long

time, but this is the first time we've had the Pro Talk podcast on Fountain Home Building.

But it's something I hope to do once a week.

And that's why I said it's a regular discussion.

So you guys are our first official guests.

The kind of impetus for this was Sean Van Dyke's discussion.

We had a few weeks back.

But it made me think that we should do this all the time.

So thank you both

very much for being here. Well, thanks for having us. I listened to that, the podcast with Sean,

and then you're mentioning that you'd like to do a second podcast and doing one for the pros. And I

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