People are paying top dollar to go hear Jordan Peterson preach a sermon on Genesis 12.

Aaron Wren making the case for a Christian response in a negative world at this year's issues etc. Making the case conference.

I mean we should be embarrassed that people are not turning to the church.

And so I'm not saying that we should necessarily,

you know, be saying or doing everything that they can.

People reject Christianity for many reasons,

but we are not, for whatever reason, talking about the world that people live in in a way

that they find compelling and understanding it and how to navigate it.

For a donation of $300 by October 1st, you can watch and listen to Aaron Wrens presentation

at the 2024 issues, etc. making the case conference.

It's available via on-demand video streaming and podcast.

Learn more at issues ETC.org. How has our culture abandoned and alienated young men and at the same time why is the church so confused on

the nature of masculinity why are young men turning to online influencers

instead of the church.

Welcome back to issues, cetera.

I'm Todd Wilkin.

Joining us to talk about the church's credibility with young men.

Aaron Wren, he's co-founder and senior fellow at American

Reformer, host of the Masculanist podcast, writer and consultant in

Indianapolis and author of the book Life in the Negative World confronting challenges in an anti-Christian

culture and a recent column titled Why Churches Aren't Credible with Men.

Aaron, welcome back.

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