Welcome to the Burling Instincts Podcast.

I'm Dr. Stewart Fish Fine, community-based practicing obstetrician and long-time advocate for birth choices.

And I'm Bliss Young, a licensed midwife.

Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything birth.

Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy that you're here, so here we go.

This is a Soul Fire production. We're in progress. We're in progress. Hi. Hi.

Welcome, where are you today? I am at Jennifer Gallardo's birth center, Andaloo's water birth center.

Still in Oregon.

You're still in Oregon.

Okay.

Just want to let everybody know that this is,

Worthing and Stings podcast number 235.

And I want to preview this, let everybody know before we get into talking about and catching up, that we have a guest today, Nicole Morales,

who is a expert in breach and has written a book.

And so today's podcast is going to focus sort of back

on obstetrical issues or pregnancy-related issues. We get off track sometimes like last week's

podcast, but it was important. I've already had some really positive feedback about last

week's podcast. It's only been up for a couple hours. So that's,

that's good. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. So I'm, I'm visiting with Augustine. So she told me to tell you to say

hello. Yeah, but she says hello to probably all our listeners too. She's very well known. She gets

quoted almost every time I give a seminar or something,

I actually end up quoting her about several things. So that's really cool. I just wanted to wish

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