#2345 - Roman Yampolskiy

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan

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4.6 • 228.6K Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 135 minutes

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Dr. Roman Yampolskiy is a computer scientist, AI safety researcher, and professor at the University of Louisville. He’s the author of several books, including "Considerations on the AI Endgame," co-authored with Soenke Ziesche, and "AI: Unexplained, Unpredictable, Uncontrollable."http://cecs.louisville.edu/ry/ Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @TrueClassic at https://trueclassic.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Joe Rogan podcast, checking out.
0:04.0	The Joe Rogan Experience.
0:06.1	Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
0:12.8	Well, thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it.
0:15.1	My pleasure. Thank you for inviting me.
0:16.7	This subject of the dangers of AI, it's very interesting because I get two very different
0:24.4	responses from people dependent upon how invested they are in AI financially. The people that
0:34.8	have AI companies or are part of some sort of AI group, all are like, it's going to be a net positive for humanity.
0:43.8	I think overall we're going to have much better lives.
0:47.3	It's going to be easier.
0:48.6	Things will be cheaper.
0:49.9	It'll be easier to get along.
0:51.9	And then I hear people like you and I'm like, why do I believe him?
0:56.8	It's actually not true. All of them are on the record as saying, this is going to kill us. Whatever,
1:02.2	it's Sam Altman or anyone else. They all at some point were leaders in AI safety work. They
1:08.3	published in AI safety, and their pedum levels are insanely high. Not
1:13.0	like mine, but still, 20, 30% chance that humanity dies is a little too much. Yeah, that's pretty
1:19.1	high, but yours is like 99.9.9. It's another way of saying we can't control superintelligence
1:26.6	indefinitely. It's impossible.
1:30.3	When did you start working on this?
1:33.3	A long time ago. So my PhD was, I finished in 2008. I did work on online casino security, basically preventing bots. And at that point, I realized bots are getting much better.
1:47.3	They're going to outcompete us obviously in poker, but also instilling cyber resources.
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