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Mr. Sand, it's great to see it.

Good to be with you, Joe.

Great to be.

You've got a bunch of notes.

Not all that much.

Have you prepared for this?

I am all prepared.

Well, it's a good time for you to be in here because the world's gone haywire.

Yes. Yeah. What are your thoughts on this?

I think I start off with Joe, trying to take a deep breath and doing what is not often

done. Where are we as a country today? What's going well? What's not going well? And I don't

think we don't have that kind of basic discussion. And to my mind, I think in America today,

we are facing more serious crises than we have in the modern history of our country. This is a pivotal

moment in American history. And what happens now will depend, determine the lives of our country. This is a pivotal moment in American history and what happens now

will depend, determine the lives of our kids and future generations. What specifically concerns you?

I'll tell you what concerns me, the issue of wealth and power. I'm kind of old-fashioned and I believe

in democracy and I believe that everybody

should have a good shot at living a decent life. And what I worry about right now, and this

is an issue, Joe, and it's part of the problem that it just ain't talked about very much.

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