This is the Untold Italy travel podcast and you're listening to episode number 234.

Ciao at all and benvenuti to Untold Italy, the travel podcast where you go to the towns and villages, mountains and lakes, hills and coastlines of Bella Italia.

Each week your host, Katie Clark, takes you on a journey in search of magical landscapes, history, culture, wine, gelato, and of course, a whole lot of pasta.

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Bonjourno, everyone. Thank you. Gratia for joining us for another virtual trip to beautiful Italia.

It's great to have you here as always for what I believe is a really important episode

on the differences that we can make to our own travels, that will make a positive impact

on the places that we visit and level up our own travel experiences at the same time.

Lately, the news has been full of stories about over-tourism in some of Europe's most

favourite destinations, including many of those in Italy.

And also the local challenges that go hand-in-hand with that over-tourism, such as limited

housing for locals, squeezing out artisans from historic centre of cities, eateries,

catering solely to visitors, and I could go on and on.

Our guest today is my friend, author of the glam Italia, travel guides Karina Cook,

and she and I felt like it was time to address this issue head on.

And I say that because it's been a very deliberate strategy of mine to talk about

slow travel approaches without directly mentioning it as a philosophy because I truly believe

in showing rather than telling. But today I wanted to flip the switch and be very upfront about

how the choices we make as travellers really do have an impact and that we can make changes

by voting with our travel dollars. So let's join Corinna and dive riding.

Ventanata, Corinna. Welcome back to the Untold Italy podcast.

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