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Now Tom, you and I do a lot of talking, but I think it's fair to say that we don't talk

about our mental health as much as we should, do we?

No, it's very much the British way to bottle things up, isn't it?

As you've often said to me, being human doesn't come with a user manual.

There's nothing to tell you what to do when time is difficult or emotionally hard.

Sometimes it's really important just to talk to somebody, I'm not one to really bear my

soul on this podcast or to talk about my feelings very much, but sometimes it's really important

just to talk and to be honest about our experiences.

Tom, I know that you've drawn enormous solace and comfort, haven't you, from the conversations

that you've had with me?

I have.

You are always a comforted and a consolation, but I think there are times when even the

best of friends are inadequate to help and you actually need people who are trained,

who are licensed and that is where better help comes in.

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