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The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka

231. TJ Dillashaw: On Biohacking, Longevity, Injury Recovery and Life After UFC

The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka

Gary Brecka

Health & Fitness

4.83.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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I sat down with two-time UFC Champion TJ Dillashaw to discuss the "delusional optimism" and biohacking protocols, like stem cell therapy and zone two training, that fueled his legendary career and his recovery from a dark identity crisis. Now, we’re diving into how he’s applying that same championship grit to disrupt the supplement industry with Wild Society Nutrition, proving that the pursuit of excellence in business and longevity is the ultimate human journey. Get the Longevity + Performance Stack here: https://bit.ly/3YPMNO4 Full Audience: Use code GARY15 for 15% off (one-time purchase) CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARYS VIP!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with TJ Dillashaw Website: https://bit.ly/499sJLj  YouTube: https://bit.ly/4q9vfIE  Instagram: https://bit.ly/4avH5bk  Facebook: https://bit.ly/3MURVhk  TikTok: https://bit.ly/49jB8fp  X: https://bit.ly/4jlszVY  LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4jeEXH4  Thank you to our partners H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP: JOIN AND GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn CARAWAY: “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S RHO NUTRITION: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 Watch  the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 ​Intro of Show 02:14 TJ Dillashaw identity & the transition from professional fighting 03:44 Early wrestling roots and "Hazardous Hal" 04:47 Dropping out of grad school for MMA 05:53 The rapid growth of the UFC and bantamweight class 09:43 Career evolution and the "overworking" trap 10:46 Meeting Coach Sam Calavita and measuring toxins 13:11 Mastering energy systems and Zone 2 training 13:29 Understanding VO2 Max and lactic thresholds 22:58 Facing the legendary Joe Soto on 24 hours' notice 24:32 The power of delusional optimism and positive affirmations 26:36 Re-injuring the shoulder during a tetherball challenge 27:21 Using stem cells to avoid career-ending surgery 35:15 Adversity, suspension, and taking extreme ownership 40:08 Rebuilding identity and the "walk back" to the octagon 44:03 Disrupting the supplement industry with Wild Society 45:29 The "Caveman Eats" 20oz ribeye innovation 49:36 Partnering with Sprouts and avoiding "kill list" ingredients 57:41 Dana White’s documentary on life after fighting 1:03:12 What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human? Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

If you want to be a champion, you can't leave no stone unturned, you got to have all energy

0:03.3

systems trained to the best ability. Chasing peak performance and longevity go hand in hand. And if you treat the body the way that it was intended to be treated and you recover the right way, you eat the right food, you supplement the right way, your performance is so much better. Well, you suffered through a lot of injuries during your career. I mean, I know that you fought with two blown-out shoulders.

0:21.4

Yeah, I mean, just wearing terror from wrestling

0:23.2

since I was eight-year-old through college You suffered through a lot of injuries during your career. I mean, I know that you fought with two blown-out shoulders.

0:21.6

Yeah, I mean, just wearing terror from wrestling since I was eight-year-old through college and then more so as being a professional. You were doing stem cells early on in your career to try to preserve as much of that time as you had. you had. I do all my research trying to figure out like, what are like the Kobe Bryant's

0:36.1

doing in the world to preserve themselves or whatever it may be to keep me in the game

0:40.3

without having to get surgery. So you get the stem cells, you come back, you win another championship. Yeah, I win the world title back. Wow. Now that you're more woke to longevity and wellness, you've got this brand out there, which I'm sure you're pouring your soul into. What made you say, this is the next career path for me? Something I've noticed from just training in my experience

0:58.9

is that,

1:00.2

Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast.

1:14.7

I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecker,

1:16.8

where we go down the road of everything,

1:18.9

anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between.

1:22.9

And today's guest is no stranger to biohacking.

1:26.9

Now he's into longevity. It's the everything in between that we're going to talk about today. And, you know, I've got two-time U.S. Bantamweight World Champion, T.J. Dillishaw, dude, I am so pumped that you are on the Ultimate Human Podcast, brother. I am beyond pump. This is exciting. I'm a fan of the podcast. I'm a fan of what you stand for and the whole Maha movement. So I'm, I'm ecstatic to be here. Thanks, man. I really appreciate that. You know,

1:49.5

I think that your journey is like so many professional athletes' journeys and so many A-listers,

1:58.5

celebrities, actors, people that have been, had careers where they were very much

2:04.0

in the public eye, you know, worked themselves to greatness. And then one day, it just ends.

2:12.3

Right? Yeah. And, you know, I've read a lot about you and, you know, how disappointed you were about the way that your career ended.

2:20.5

It didn't end the way that you would, you know, plan for it to end.

2:24.5

You know, you had some skirmishes along the way, which you've been very transparent about, you know, to your suspension for PEDs and, like, what you learned from that.

2:33.9

But I wonder for my audience

2:35.5

that maybe isn't into the UFC or into professional fighting or MMA, but understands that,

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