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This month, Green Dreamer is also sponsored by my favorite tea brand, Arbor Tees,

and I'm so grateful for their support during this time.

They source loose leave and organic certified teas. They use backyard compostable packaging,

which they've been doing for the past 10 years, by the way. Their operations run on solar energy,

and all of their efforts are offset by carbon fund. I myself only bought tea from Arbor Tees this past year. I love supporting them

as a small family-owned business, and I also love gifting it to friends and family to support their

well-being. To shop Arbor Tees Organic Tees, just head to Arbor teas.com. That's A-R-B-O-R-T-A-S.com.

We know we need to make policy changes. We know we need to take massive investments in renewable

energy, but without some sort of external prod, it's very difficult to take big steps like that.

But I think the need to make massive public investment anyway when the pandemic ends to get the

economy back on its feet will be just the spur will need to get the trillion plus dollars a

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