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Think Again - a Big Think Podcast

231. Marlon James (Jason Plays Favorites #3) – don't get too comfortable

Think Again - a Big Think Podcast

Big Think / Panoply

Arts, Society & Culture

4.6594 Ratings

🗓️ 22 February 2020

⏱️ 54 minutes

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[From February through March 22, 2020 (his last day hosting Think Again) Jason will be revisiting favorite past episodes. Jason's new show, starting May 12th, is Clever Creature with Jason Gots.] -- At this point, it’s very rare to read something and find myself thinking: This is something new. This is unlike anything I’ve ever read before. It doesn’t have to be written in hieroglyphs or be some kind of three-dimensional interactive reading experience with pull-out tabs and half the pages upside down. That kind of formal experimentation, in my experience as a reader, more often ends up being gimmicky and annoying than exhilarating. In fact, paradoxically, the “wow this is something new” experience often comes along with a sense that this new thing has somehow always existed, in your dreams if nowhere else.  Marlon James—the Jamaican writer who won the Man Booker Prize for A Brief History of Seven Killings— has done something in his new fantasy novel Black Leopard, Red Wolf that’s unlike anything I’ve ever read before. The first book of a trilogy, it’s been described as an “African Game of Thrones” and likened in scope to Tolkien’s Lord of The Rings. But the stories within stories it tells and the shifts in voice and perspective thrust you into a seething, hallucinatory, morally ambiguous world that’s part Ayahuasca dream and part blacklight nightmare, anchored in a rich African mythology that’s worlds away from all those elves, wizards, dragons, and goblins—all those well-worn tales of light versus darkness.  Surprise conversation-starters in this episode:  Jeffrey Sachs on whether Jeff Bezos should distribute his Amazon wealth Damian Echols on tattoos as a lifeline  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Huh, have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

0:04.0

Not much to it, is there?

0:06.0

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

0:11.0

Mmm, that is good.

0:13.0

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

0:15.0

Go all crisp in with walkers.

0:18.0

Delicious.

0:20.0

Hey there, Jason here.

0:22.7

And throughout this month and until March 23rd, I'm running a series I'm calling Jason

0:29.1

plays favorites.

0:30.3

These are some of my favorite episodes from the past five years by no means all.

0:36.8

And today I'm playing you Marlon James.

0:39.9

Often when an interview is finished,

0:43.2

what I remember most is not exactly what was said so much

0:47.0

as the presence of the guest.

0:49.7

And Marlon has a wonderful presence,

0:53.0

this kind of warmth and expansiveness about him.

0:56.5

He's a big guy and he fills the room and in some ways he makes the room bigger by his presence.

1:05.6

But listening back to this, the other thing that really caught my attention is this idea, you know, that

1:13.6

he says pretty early on in the episode about how we are told or we somehow come to believe

1:23.2

that we're not allowed to have magic or the fantastical in stories anymore after we grow up.

1:31.1

And, you know, part of his work and part of what he's trying to do with his current series

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