Hey there, Freedom Fighters. This interview is a little more visual than our usual ones. I do my best to do

play by play. So if you're not watching, you can still understand what's going on. But if you're really

interested in seeing the whole thing, go over to our YouTube channel to see it. It is at the next

new thing.a.i slash YouTube. And here's my interview with Shane Mack, founder of XMTP, which created the Convo's chat app. Convo's is an app that allows you to launch OpenClawl and Hermes agents on your phone. Can you have it copy an app? Just paste the link and tell your agent to copy it. It's done. Let's just do a screen share. I'll just show you how you can do it. Presented by Zapier, the AI Automation Company. Shane, let me see how easy it is to create an agent on your platform. All right. I just open convos. I hit start a combo. I can choose whether or not I want to share my name with the agent. So I'll throw it out. I you just swipe up and then it joins.

And so usually takes a couple seconds.

It goes and builds everything in the background.

So it's provisioning an email address for this, a phone number, a web browsing capabilities,

everything.

And then it just joins like a member in a chat.

And this is OpenClaw right off the bat? OpenClaw or Hermes. So you get to pick your default. All right. You want to ask it just a quick question to see that it is an agent? What makes it an agent? What makes it an agent? I didn't mean to ask that, but let's see. What makes you an agent? What do you want to do? I was going to say, like, I was going to ask you to ask it a question that will have it prove that it is an agent. There we go. An agent is a model that could take, ask it, what can you do? This is not yet available to the public. You're still rolling it out in small batches to a wait list, and we'll have a link below in the show notes to anyone who wants it.

All right.

So now we've got it up and running.

Can you have it copy an app the way that you showed on Twitter?

Yeah.

So I was talking to Robert Stevens, actually, and he was like, I don't even download apps anymore. I just screenshot the app in the app store and throw it in a thing and go code the app. And then it just builds a personalized version of the app that I want. And I was like, that's interesting. I wonder if I could make that so anyone in the world could do it. And so we made it where you can literally just take a photo, go to favorites.

And I was looking at this app.

I have my phone.

I pay $2,9.99 a year for Cal AI.

It's so simple.

I drop photos.

It analyzes the photos.

It tells me the calories in it.

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