230. Russia, Ukraine, and the West | Frederick Kagan

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🗓️ 1 March 2022

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This episode was recorded on February 27, 2022. Dr. Frederick W. Kagan is a former professor of history with a Ph.D. in Russian and Soviet military history from Yale. He is also a celebrated author and the director of the American Enterprise Institute's Critical Threats Project. In this episode, I discuss the nature of the conflict that has taken the world by storm over the last 5 days—Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine and the ongoing resistance of its citizens. Dr. Kagan is a wealth of information on military history, geopolitics, Putin's relationship with the USSR (which his father helped defend) and Ukrainian sovereignty, and other aspects of what’s most certainly a moment in human history that won’t be forgotten soon. Find more Dr. Frederick Kagan: https://understandingwar.org and https://criticalthreats.org For regular updates on the situation in Ukraine: https://understandingwar.org or https://criticalthreats.org/analysis/ukraine-conflict-updates Ways to help: https://linkedin.com/posts/nataliya-bugayova-97469a1a_wwwstopputinnet-activity-6903830899821985793-Z_qb An excellent discussion of the evolution of Putin’s attitudes toward the West: https://understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russia-kremlins-worldview __________________________ Chapters __________________________ [0:00] Intro [2:32] Current Situation [4:55] Motivations for Expansion [6:25] Russia & the West: A Brief History [10:47] Russian Ideology [18:09] The Bolshevik Revolution Today [21:59] History of Putin, Russia, & NATO [31:33] Putin in Power [01:00:25] Why Now? [01:04:30] Putin Subverts Expectations [01:07:30] Biden, Hybrid Warfare, & Propaganda [01:10:17] Putin’s Invasion: a Tactical Perspective [01:15:30] Ukranian Response [01:16:40] International Response & Russian Allies [01:19:00] SWIFT Ban [01:24:30] Protests [01:27:50] A Way Forward? [01:31:00] UnderstandingWar.org [01:31:50] WWIII [01:35:39] Repercussions of a Russian attack on NATO [01:38:58] Defense Budgets [01:39:10] Outro #Ukraine #Russia #Putin #VolodymyrZelenskyy #JordanPeterson

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0:00.0	Welcome to episode 230 of the JBP podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson. The whole world has been
0:07.4	watching the invasion of Ukraine. To help us understand the biggest attacks since the end of World
0:12.8	War II, Dad had Dr. Frederick Kagan, an expert in Russian military history and author and the
0:19.6	director of the Critical Threats project at AEI on the podcast. They talked about the current
0:25.9	landscape, World War II, hybrid warfare, Putin's interest in Ukraine, the protests in Moscow,
0:32.9	and the personal history of Putin and by extension Russia and the West. We really hope you and
0:38.8	your loved ones are safe and that you're able to take something useful away from this conversation.
0:43.2	These are uncertain times. If you want to learn more about anything discussed, check out the links
0:48.3	in the description. Without further ado, Dr. Frederick Kagan.
1:11.3	Hello everyone. I'm pleased to have with me today, Dr. Frederick W. Kagan.
1:15.7	I reached out to some of my contacts who have some intellectual credibility and some political
1:22.4	expertise to find out who could be contacted to provide an update for everyone, me included on
1:29.5	the unfolding situation in Russia and Ukraine and Dr. Frederick Kagan's name popped up
1:36.2	instantly. So I'll give you a bit of a bio and then we'll get right to the issue. What's happening
1:41.2	in the Ukraine? Dr. Frederick W. Kagan, his author of the 2007 report, Choosing Victory, a plan
1:50.1	for success in Iraq. He's one of the intellectual architects of the surge strategy in Iraq.
1:55.9	He's the director of the American Enterprise Institute's Critical Threats Project,
2:00.4	an a former professor of military history at the U.S. military academy at West Point. His books
2:06.5	range from lessons for a long war. American Enterprise Institute Press 2010 co-authored with
2:14.0	Thomas Donnelly to the end of the old order Napoleon in Europe, 1805, 1801 to 1805, decapoeil
2:22.0	press 2006. He worked as an assistant professor of military history at West Point from 95 to 2001
2:29.9	and as an associate professor of military history from 2001 to 2005. Dr. Kagan holds a
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