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W. Empire pod UK.com. Hello and me William Durin.

So this is the shiny second bonus episode if you like of what was going to be a

series about the Ottoman Empire, but then we stretched because

we thought, how can you understand the Ottoman Empire unless you understand the Byzantine

Empire that it replaced? And once again, I'm very excited to say,

because you love him, obviously you do.

It's our inboxes full of Francapan love.

We're joined by Peter Francapan.

The great Peter Francapan.

And we were talking about by Zantim, and when we left you, the

Crusades had begun, and begun this era of conflict between Christianity and Islam and the

Seljak Turks were pouring into Anatolia.

Where do you want to take us next to Anita?

Can I take you forward a little bit more to the fourth crusade of 1204? this you know we've got this impression here when you think about the

crusades in Britain you've got Robin of Locksley and Richard the Lionheart and they're all going to

fight the good fight and if they're done down it's because of treachery at home and yet there is treachery of an epic scale in 1204 that is not really talked about where it's sort of Christian on Christian can you tell us what

happens here it is talked about a lot in Greece it's talked a lot in Croatia too so

so basically by the by about the year 1200 you've Crusade Fatigue for there be too many of these

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