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You're listening to The Takeaway. I'm Melissa Harris-Perry.

In a recent report, researchers from the Brookings Institution talked with residents in four

major cities about the perceptions of crime in their city's downtown areas.

One of the cities that the report studied was Philadelphia.

City of brotherly love, Philadelphia is arguably the birthplace of American democracy.

The hallowed ground where the Declaration of Independence was signed and the U.S. Constitution was written.

Of course, it's also a thoroughly modern city. It boasts the

kind of downtown that makes other urban leaders envious, historic architecture, diverse cultural

venues, and great restaurants. But the Brookings report found that Philadelphia also suffers from the thoroughly modern problem of a disjointed perception of crime in its downtown, which is not necessarily borne out by the evidence.

So we decided to talk with Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney as part of our ongoing series, 23 mayors in

2023. My name is Jim Kenney on the Mayor of Philadelphia. When Jim Kenney was elected to the

Philadelphia City Council in 1992, he was just 32 years old. And after decades of service,

he was elected mayor in 2016 and then re-elected in 2020.

But as a term-limited city leader, Mayor Kenny is in the final months of serving a city that he

has spent most of his adulthood being part of. His pride in the city was readily apparent in our conversation.

I think we have the best hospital systems in the world. People come from all over the world

to go to medical school and dental school and nursing school here. And we retain a lot of those

physicians and dentists. Also, our educational system is growing up Penn and Drexel,

St. Joe's and LaSalle and Community College of Philadelphia, Villanova, and all the institutions in the Philadelphia region.

We attract students from around the country and around the world. Tourism is a big issue for us. Also, our hotels are starting to fill up again,

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