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People I (Mostly) Admire

23. Greg Norman & Mark Broadie: Why Golf Beats an Orgasm and Why Data Beats Everything

People I (Mostly) Admire

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4.62K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Steve Levitt is obsessed with golf — and he’s pretty good at it too. As a thinly-veiled ploy to improve his own game, Steve talks to two titans of the sport: Greg “The Shark” Norman, who was the world’s top-ranked golfer for more than six years; and Mark Broadie, a Columbia professor whose data analysis changed how pros play the game. This episode originally aired on March 9th, 2021.

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0:00.0

If you're a Freakonomics radio listener, you might already know that I'm obsessed with golf.

0:13.0

Here's Stephen Dubner.

0:14.5

I am obsessed with how obsessed you are with golf.

0:18.2

That is my obsession.

0:20.0

Yeah.

0:20.3

I love me. You are, you're nuts, Levin. I mean,

0:23.9

let's face it. I do love golf. I love golf more than any normal person could. I think I love golf

0:30.3

because I really wanted to be good at it as a kid, and I completely and totally failed. And much of my adult life has been devoted to trying to undo the mistakes I made as a child.

0:46.5

As a teenager, the one thing I wanted more than anything else was to be a professional golfer.

0:53.1

Reality, however, was not kind to that adolescent dream. Forget

0:56.8

about turning pro. I wasn't even good enough to play college golf. I quit soon after. Almost 20

1:03.3

years had passed when, on my 40th birthday, I hatched a preposterous plan. I decided I would take

1:09.4

up golf again with the objective of finally

1:11.7

realizing my childhood dream of turning pro, this time on the champions tour for golfers

1:16.4

age 50 and over. That gave me exactly 10 years to go from below average to world class.

1:23.1

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

1:29.4

I'm 53 now, and it probably won't surprise you that I never made the Champions Tour,

1:35.1

despite investing an absurd amount of time and effort into the pursuit.

1:39.3

It was, however, one of the most enjoyable escapades I've ever been on,

1:43.4

but much less interesting and successful than the golf journeys of the most enjoyable escapades I've ever been on, but much less interesting and

1:45.4

successful than the golf journeys of the two people I talk with today. My first guest is Greg

1:51.1

Norman, the shark. He was the number one ranked golfer in the world for more than six years.

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