There's either two things that you're feeling coming out of COVID quarantine.

What of them is your sleep?

And I get that.

You just feel like a little bit of sleep, not to life, but to the way life used to be and

some of the reality and the responsibility that we've got to face.

The other is just chaos because a lot of us, our lives have been turned upside down.

So if you are feeling like you are either asleep or that there's chaos in your life and

everything is turning upside down, today's episode is just for you.

I'm somewhat weirdly obsessed with pilots, with flying, with airplanes.

We built our whole business made simple how to grow a business framework around an airplane.

Like literally a business works like an airplane.

And today I actually get to talk to a real pilot and talk about the relationship between

flying and life a little bit.

I mean, her new book is called Span of Control.

Her name is Carrie Lorenz and she's been on the show before and we love having her on.

And we just kind of geek out a little bit about the difference between a flight plan and

a life plan and what you do when your life feels like it's out of control.

Carrie has been there.

She was the first ever female F-14 Tomcat fighter pilot in the US Navy.

She knows what she's talking about and she's going to help us today figure out how to figure

out if we are upside down and then what to do about it.

Here's my interview with Carrie Lorenz.

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