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The Economics of Everyday Things

23. Cadavers - Part 2

The Economics of Everyday Things

Freakonomics Network

Business

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

In the final part of our series, Zachary Crockett talks to a man with a storied — and controversial — career in the body parts business. This episode was originally published on October 29th, 2023.

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0:00.0

In America, lots of jobs require some kind of credential.

0:07.2

Want to be a lawyer? You'll need a license. Dentist? License.

0:13.2

Electrician, accountant, taxi driver? License.

0:17.6

But if you want to chop up human bodies and sell them to researchers and pharmaceutical companies,

0:23.1

I could take a person apart within 15 minutes, you know, bag it and put in the freezer and it's ready to go.

0:30.0

I didn't have to have a funeral director's license.

0:31.5

I didn't have to have any type of medical degree or licensing to take possession of a human body. Many times I would be told,

0:40.4

are you a doctor? I go, no. I don't want to say there's zero regulation, but yeah,

0:50.6

but there is really no regulation.

0:59.7

For the Freakonomics Radio Network, this is the economics of everyday things.

1:01.2

I'm Zachary Crackett.

1:04.2

Today, Cadavers Part 2.

1:14.1

In the first part of this series, we talked about the troubling history of cadavers in the United States,

1:19.8

how medical school anatomy labs used to obtain bodies from murders and grave robbers.

1:27.6

Those practices ended when the laws were changed to allow people like you and me to donate our bodies to science.

1:32.0

These days, around 20,000 Americans do that every year.

1:36.1

Some of those bodies are donated directly to medical schools.

1:42.8

Others go to for-profit companies that sell human body parts with very few legal restrictions.

1:47.9

Not much is known about how these so-called body brokers do business.

1:52.9

So today, we're going to hear from a man who spent more than a decade in the trade.

1:55.1

My name is Philip Guyette. I got into the body parts business back of like 1993.

2:00.8

And yeah, and it's just kind of, I don't know if you could say spot- body parts business back at like 1993.

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