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Coaching for Leaders

229: Find Courage to Speak When It Matters Most, with Allan McDonald

Coaching for Leaders

Dave Stachowiak

Management, Careers, Business

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 25 January 2016

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Allan McDonald: Truth, Lies, and O-Rings

Allan J. McDonald retired as vice president and technical director for advanced technology programs at ATK Thiokol Propulsion in 2001. He was the director of the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Motor Project at the time of the Challenger accident and, later, vice president of engineering for space operations during the redesign and requalification of the solid rocket motors. Al passed away in 2021, several years after this episode first aired.

Al was the one person who officially refused to sign off on Challenger’s launch on January 28, 1986. His concerns for the launch conditions were ultimately overridden by his boss. He would eventually testify to the Rogers Commission which had major implications for their findings. Later in life, he spoke to audiences all over the world on ethics and decision-making. He’s the author with James Hansen of Truth, Lies, and O-Rings: Inside the Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster*.

In this conversation, Al shared the details of the conversation between NASA and Morton Thiokol the evening prior to the launch. He also detailed what happened after the accident and his extraordinary decision to interrupt NASA’s testimony to the Rogers Commission. He also shared a key message on why it still matters, all these years later.

Key Points

  • As director of the solid rocket motor project, Al McDonald refused to sign off on the launch, concerned that launch weather conditions were unsafe.
  • Despite almost perfectly predicting the accident, Al himself was initially unconvinced that the solid rocket motors were the cause, believing the shuttle would have exploded on the pad had that been the case.
  • When it appeared that NASA officials weren’t being fully transparent about the events leading up to the accident, Al interrupted their testimony to the Rogers Commission, a move he fully expected would end his career.
  • Al was effectively demoted after his testimony. Congress ultimately intervened with a law that would have ended his organization’s government contract, unless they reinstated his prior position. It’s the only time the United States Congress has passed a law aimed at benefitting a single individual.
  • It’s your responsibility as a professional to have an opinion and to speak up. Don’t assume that other people will always do their job.

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0:00.0

30 years ago this week the Space Shuttle Challenger launched with the first teacher in space on board.

0:07.0

73 seconds into flight, it exploded.

0:11.0

I was a child and I remember watching the custodian of our school lowering the flag to half

0:16.3

staff that cold January morning.

0:20.0

In the three decades that have passed since the accident, most of us have seen the video again and again of the accident on January 28, 1986.

0:30.0

But I wonder if you know what happened the night of January 27th, the evening before.

0:39.1

On a special show today, I welcome the one person who officially refused to sign off on the launch of Challenger

0:45.7

and his lessons for all of us on leadership and ethics.

0:51.1

This is coaching for leaders episode 229.

0:54.3

Produced by Innovate Learning, Maximizing Human Potential. Greetings to you from Orange County, California. This is coaching for leaders and I'm your

1:09.7

host Dave Stahoviac. Leaders aren't born!

1:14.0

They're made.

1:15.0

And this weekly show will give you access to the best thinkers,

1:19.0

resources, and actions

1:22.0

to develop your leadership skills and I'm really glad that you

1:26.4

tuned in for today's show because when I first met this week's guest in person a year ago, I was immediately captivated

1:36.8

by his story and I knew it was one that I wanted the Coaching for Leaders community to hear.

1:42.4

And what many of you know is that NASA launched the Space Shuttle Challenger on January 28, 1986, 30 years ago,

1:51.0

and of course the resulting accident that happened just moments after the spacecraft

1:57.3

launched. What you may not know was that there were warnings against doing so for many individuals, including my guest today,

2:06.0

Al McDonald.

2:08.0

Al as he sought to draw attention to the real reasons behind the disaster was singled out for retribution by his employer.

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