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network.greendreamer.com. In honor of Earth Day, April 22nd, but with sensitivity

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There are lots of viruses waiting in the diverse ecosystems.

They've been living there, causing no problems to humans generally.

But when we come in there causing disruption at great scale, we expose ourselves

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