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The Realignment

228 | Seth G. Jones: Irregular Warfare and the Future of Global Competition After Ukraine

The Realignment

The Realignment

Saager Enjeti, Technology, Policy, News, Marshall Kosloff, International Relations, Politics, News Commentary, Public Policy, U.s. Politics, National Security, Economics

4.82.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 April 2022

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

NOTE: This is the last week of The Realignment's daily Ukraine programming. For Day 22 of The Realignment's Daily Ukraine coverage, Marshall spoke with Dr. Seth G. Jones, author of Three Dangerous Men: Russia, China, Iran and the Rise of Irregular Warfare and Senior VP and Director of the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic & International Studies. They discussed how the conventional military strength of great powers such as the United States and Russia are increasingly challenged by irregular warfare approaches: cyber attacks, the use of proxy forces, propaganda, espionage, and disinformation. While Three Dangerous Men focused on how China, Iran, and Russia favored irregular warfare to challenge the United States, the Ukraine war has demonstrated that irregular warfare presents a serious challenge to any nation's ambitions. SEND US A TIP: https://app.swapstack.co/tips/the-realignment REALIGNMENT NEWSLETTER: https://therealignment.substack.com/ BOOKSHOP: https://bookshop.org/shop/therealignment

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0:00.0

Marshall here. Welcome back to the Realignment.

0:08.8

Hello everyone. We are officially in the final week of daily coverage of Russia's invasion of

0:16.0

Ukraine. Obviously the fact that we're ending this daily series after this week has nothing to say

0:21.2

as to how the broader war is going, or just the broader area, just the recognition of the fact that

0:26.4

doing almost 30 plus days of episodes is definitely a good time to hit other topics for the realignment,

0:32.1

but we'll be sure to continue covering this area as well so you can definitely write in with

0:36.0

any thoughts, comments, reviews, anything like that if you want us to hit other topics for

0:40.1

you to this moving forward. Today's episode is really great one. Speaking with Seth Jones,

0:45.0

he's the author of Three Dangerous Men, Russia, China, Iran, and the rise of regular warfare.

0:50.8

This topic then is focusing on this idea that regular warfare is a strategy of approaching

0:56.1

war against the typical conventional way. This is a great follow up to our episodes on counter

1:01.0

insurgency. This is a great follow up to last Monday's episode with Sean McFate where he was

1:06.0

critiquing conventional war. This is about irregular warfare. What's really interesting to note here

1:11.2

for folks is that originally, irregular warfare was supposed to be the way that rising powers would

1:16.3

actually use to fight against the United States. What we're seeing in Ukraine is we are pursuing an

1:21.7

irregular form of warfare against Russia. We get into the way those are operating on the ground,

1:26.8

however, it's there. All those other great things too. Quick note for everyone as well. We would

1:32.0

love to get comments and replies from folks, especially if we transition out into these party

1:36.8

Ukraine topics. So if you have any thoughts for stories you'd like us to cover, even in the end

1:40.5

up way we've been doing that, be sure to reply and email us at reallignmentpod at jimro.com or you

1:46.0

can also go check out the substack as well too, which comes out on Fridays. Now a quick note,

1:51.3

a bunch of people have also asked us how exactly the tipping function works. There is a link in the

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