Welcome to the Burling Instincts Podcast.

I'm Dr. Stewart Fish Fine, community-based practicing obstetrician and long-time advocate for birth choices.

And I'm Bliss Young, a licensed midwife.

Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything birth.

Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy that you're here, so here we go.

This is a soul fire production.

Good morning, where are you today?

Good morning.

I am on the southern coast of Oregon.

I'm just outside.

Shoot, I forgot the little town.

Coos, C-O-O-S, which is the biggest town on the coast.

Is that near your sister's bed?

I'm not in a backyard. No, I went to you on Medford. I finally left California. It was, you know, what I remembered is California is so beautiful. It really is a beautiful state.

Yeah, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that at a second.

I'm talking about beauty of the eye.

And I was thinking about what you said.

You're like, California really did used to be a paradise.

But, you know, when you and I kind of went our separate ways after you came to see me,

I, um, I just was reminded. Like, it's just, it's a really beautiful place. Um, so then I got

into Oregon and I went to Medford and I was planning to go to Ashland. Um, but the woman I was

going to go see in Ashland, her mother-in-law has cancer and her kids are more susceptible.

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