Oh, hello people in podcast land. Welcome back.

My guest today is Heather Morris, international best-selling author of the worldwide phenomenon,

the Tatoist of Auschwitz.

The process of creating that book involved Heather sitting down for a very, very long time

over years and years and listening, focusing hard, being present and cultivating a genuine

skill of listening. And today that is what we go through using some fantastic examples,

which really give a better insight into the process of writing the Tatoist of Auschwitz,

plus some wonderful examples from Heather's life when she was a young girl.

There's some interesting points here to do with gender roles and just how much we've progressed

since the 60s to the present day. There's also some really important takeaways here for how to be

a better parent, brother, partner, whatever it might be, even just a member of society by being

a better listener, by focusing and being present and actually allowing other people to have their say,

and then caring about what it is that they say. In other news, the next couple of weeks of

programming are absolutely mad, including Ali Abdel, who is one of the UK's productivity experts,

who came first at Med School in Cambridge, dropping all of his study and learning tips.

The man himself, Daniel Sloss, Netflix Special comedian and good friend of the show

is returning for his round two, and that will be live this Monday. I've got Andrew Doyle coming

back for another time, Massimo Piglucci for another time, the rearranged episode with Chris Voss,

the ex head of the FBI's Negotiation Division, Constantin Kissin, from the trigonometry podcast,

Jay Morton from SAS, who dares wins Seth Golden, Diana Rogers and Dr Stuart McGill all coming on

within the next month, I guess, seen as I can't train or even walk still with the old single

angle problem, I might as well record some good podcasts, so that's what you're going to get.

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