Grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schultmeister and Jason

DeFilippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and

who's to blame.

Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks, I'm Jason DeFilippo. And I'm Brian Schultmeister.

Couldn't talk, yeah Brian. How you doing? Yeah, sleepy. Been a long week, long

long week. But you know, I've heard more podcasts this week talking about what kind of

iPhone they're going to get than I ever need to ever again. But we all know you're going to have

you're going to spend a thousand dollars on a phone with an I'd say two months over on

the what's the what's the give me a bet on that? I can't bet against you because you're the one

doing it and you'll just like you'll wait a day longer past the bet point. I'm on Apple net

our AT&T next. I'm not buying an X. I don't need one or 10 or whatever the five. We've been doing

this show for enough Apple cycles now that I know this is complete nutter bullshit and you will

end up one you will you will deny that you're going to get one you're going to deny deny deny deny

deny deny and then all of a sudden you're going to have it. So I'm not going to be able to afford it

because I'm going to be wearing my swanky new Apple watch. Oh God. Now Brian, I think the time of

the loan developer is over finally. Is that that spin off X file show? I thought that was off the

air ages ago. Yeah, those guys are gone. That was that was the loan gunman. Okay. Now we were the

loan developers back in the day. That's true. We would you know from start to start to finish.

People would come to us. We would cut the graphics, make the graphics, make the code, make

everything, not get paid. And I think going down the line you will be seeing some unicorns where

it's like one guy or just a few guys making something that gets just a little bit of heat. But

things are becoming just so complex that it takes huge teams to build anything world changing

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