Welcome to Douglas Wilson's The Plodcast, presented by Canon Press. Yes, God, God, God don't never change.

So welcome to the

to the plodcast this is episode 225 I'm Douglas Wilson I'm glad you decided

to join us thanks for coming so I want to talk here a little bit about penalties for abortion. Every consistent Christian

is pro-life, every consistent Christian wants abortion to be against the law.

Okay? But if we want abortion to be against the law. But if we want abortion to be against the law and we want the law

to have teeth, we want the law to be a law and not a mere suggestion, that means there has to be penalties.

What sort of penalties do you assign for something like abortion?

And penalties for whom.

Penalties for whom.

Now the rhetoric of the pro-life movement has been for decades that abortion is

murder.

Okay, you're dealing with a human life, you're dealing with someone who will live forever,

you're dealing with a boy or a girl whose life is taken. And if someone provides an abortion, an abortion doctor, or if someone's

an accomplice to abortion, let's say a nurse or staff worker in an abortion clinic or if someone procures an abortion

a woman should there be any civil penalties and this is where the debate and discussion has arisen, should there be any

penalties for the mother of an unborn child who procures an abortion and the answer to that I think is it depends.

So well there should be some penalties, but period, but should there be penalties for first degree murder?

Now, this is a big part of the pro-life establishment wants to say no of course not and wants to

talk about once to categorize the victims as the baby and the mother together.

Both the baby and the mother are the victims.

Now, I think that that is arguable in some cases in some situations but here's

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