224: Davey Shlasko | Why DEI Matters And Dismantling White Supremacy
Care More Be Better: A Podcast For Sustainable Social Impact and Regeneration
Corinna Bellizzi
5 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 5 March 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
DEI programs are being shut down left and right, and the toxic culture of white supremacy is becoming more rampant. This has led to more and more people making white privilege a norm in their own workplace cultures. Davey Shlasko, founder of Think Again Training, leads the revolution in shaping inclusive, diverse, and anti-racist leaders. Joining Corinna Bellizzi, he shares how to build the right leadership that addresses bias, discrimination, perfectionism, and an unfair focus on hierarchy. He also discusses how the worsening perspectives on DEI adversely impact the state of economy, minimum wage, business hiring practices, and a person’s choice of pronouns.
About Guest:
Davey is the founder and director of Think Again Training & Consulting, a collaborative consulting practice that supports organizations to integrate equity, inclusion and social justice into their long-term planning and everyday practices. Davey co-created the Antiracist Development Group for white managers, an 8-week cohort program based in frameworks of intersectional social justice and challenging white supremacy culture that prepares white people in leadership roles to bring antiracist practices into their management, supervision, planning and everything about their leadership.
Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/90517341
Guest Website: https://www.thinkagaintraining.com/blog/whyantiracismskills
Guest Social:
https://www.instagram.com/thinkagain_tc/
https://www.youtube.com/@shlasko
https://www.facebook.com/thinkagaintraining
Anti-Racist / DEI Reading List
- On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons From The Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder
- How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective, edited by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor
- Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds by Adrienne Maree Brown
- Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good by Adrienne Maree Brown
- How to be an Anti-racist by Ibram X Kendi
- How to be a (Young) Anti-racist by Ibram X Kendi
- Me and White Supremacy: Combat Racism, Change the World, and Become a Good Ancestor by Layla F. Saad
- White Supremacy Culture by Tema Okun and Kenneth Jones
- The Anthropology of White Supremacy: A Reader Edited by Aisha M. Beliso-De Jesús, Jemima Pierre, Junaid Rana
- The Body is Not an Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor
- The Tyranny of Structurelessness by Jorene Freeman, 1972
- Beware the Tyranny of Structurelessness
Anti-Racist / DEI Podcasts to Listen To:
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| 0:00.0 | some studies are showing that the bias in hiring not only leads to fewer people of color being hired, |
| 0:07.0 | but leads to more white men who are not qualified being hired. |
| 0:12.0 | And in terms of supervision and promotion, white men tend to be to receive supervision and mentoring towards their next promotion, whereas all women and all people |
| 0:24.2 | of color tend to be supervised towards doing the job they already have better. |
| 0:28.2 | And white men are more likely to be hired or promoted for their potential, whereas all women |
| 0:33.1 | and all people of color are more likely to get hired for the accomplishments that they've accomplished |
| 0:38.5 | already. Welcome to Care More Be Better, a podcast for people like you who care about the social |
| 0:45.5 | impact of conscious companies and everyday heroes. Hear inspiring stories from those who put |
| 0:51.4 | people in planet before profit and personal gain. You'll learn how you can make a difference, vote with your dollars, and get involved today. Here's your host, Karina Belizei. |
| 1:02.0 | Hello and welcome to Care More Be Better. Each week I invite you to care more about a specific social or environmental issue so that we can create a better world together. |
| 1:13.6 | Last week, we got to meet Rachel Siegel as we started a conversation about DEI programs. |
| 1:20.6 | With the present administration at play, DEI programs are being shut down, left, and right. |
| 1:26.6 | This has major consequences that reach further than most |
| 1:29.8 | people understand. I first met Rachel Siegel in an anti-racist development group that we |
| 1:35.4 | both attended together. It was an eight-week cohort program put on by Think Again training. |
| 1:41.4 | So today I'm going to introduce you to Davy Schlascoe. Davy is the founder of the company |
| 1:48.4 | think again training that puts on this initiative. So with that, I'm going to bring him on up to the |
| 1:54.3 | stage and we're going to get into it. Davy, so nice to have this time with you. Thanks for having me. |
| 2:01.6 | Now, I'd like to start by learning a little bit more about your background. |
| 2:06.6 | What inspired you to create Think Again Training and these anti-racist development groups? |
| 2:13.6 | Yeah, so Think Again Training is so much older than this particular program. |
| 2:19.3 | I started doing this kind of work. |
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