Hey everybody, we got a great one today, you know, for a change.

Robert Reich is my guest.

I think most of my listeners know about Reich, Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary, and now

Professor Emeritus at the University of California at Berkeley.

And you're going to love this conversation.

I want to get right to it.

But first, I just want to briefly weigh in on the peace deal that Trump is trying to get Ukraine to accept.

And I'm basically cribbing from a Washington Post article by Max Boots, who's always very reliable.

Now, I'm recording this on Friday morning, and of course, negotiations are ongoing, and this

is subject to change. But basically, if you look at it, it's kind of a one-sided deal.

It's, well, okay, Ukraine would have to accept the map basically as it exists now, and that would include

the U.S. recognizing Russia's annexation of Crimea and the territory that Russia now controls in four

other regions of Ukraine. This would be accompanied by other gifts to Putin, including the promise that

Ukraine never become part of NATO. Any U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia since its 2014 occupation

of Crimea would be lifted, ushering in a new period of U.S.-Russian economic cooperation.

In other words, basically nothing for Ukraine and everything for Russia.

Well, at least Trump didn't get this done in one day.

Oh, and in three years after Putin has reconstituted his military,

Russia will invade to finish the job.

That's me. That's, that's me.

That's not Max Boot.

And now my conversation with Robert Reich.

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